I'm not seeing a difference in methods/strats from our previous Ulduar raids? Maybe I'm missing something honestly folks if you have a problem with who's leading the raid you need to discuss this with an officer (before or after raid, please) otherwise noone knows your concern. As stated in previous threads it's not the popular job and we're lucky to have someone who 'wants' to do it.

On another note if your frustration is with the late starts and undergeared people joining the raid lets all look to ourselves to fix this. There are several folks signing up for raids then not showing or not swapping to their toon till the last minute, it's really very simple sign up if you can attend if something comes up you can CHANGE YOUR SIGN UP, let an officer or the raid leader know in game there's some way you can inform someone so we're not waiting on you. We've asked folks in the past to be on by 7:30 and the remaining spots would be filled by waitlisted folks starting at 7:45 lately we've been lucky to have 25 people on in guild at start time. Thank you to those of you who have stepped into fill those empty spots and please do not feel guilty for taking gear dkp is there for a reason and honestly if we need you we will be needing you to have some gear =D

If you're frustrated with the lack of progression yet not willing to help with older content I urge you to take a look at why you are really here not all BiS items come from ToC we need to get people their missing gear so we can all move forward. Honestly I don't expect to clear Heroic ToC if we can't even finish Ulduar.
Really it comes down to respecting your fellow players we all understand things come up, RL is way more important, family, work and school are a priority. Occasionally things come up it's understandable, I'm just asking for a simple change of sign up so that 24 other people aren't waiting around when they could be doing something.

I apologise if I'm out of line for bringing these things to view but the lack of respect I'm seeing for other guidies is frustrating thanks for letting me vent.

Ditto Katan

It is always easy to be an arm char quarterback and talk about what you would do if you were at the helm. Well it is time to put up or shut up. If you are dissatisfied with progress do the following:

1. Help recruit strong players that like to raid.

2. Be willing to help people gear up.

3. Sign up and show up.

4. Pay attention while raiding, turn of the TV, listen to directions, if you die figure out why you died and try to correct it.

5. Don't like a strat put a post on the forums on how to improve it.

6. Stop worrying about everyone else's performance and be retrospective on how you can improve.

7. Want to help raiding improve talk to an officer and explain how you can help.

Pretty much Katan what you said.

Lifehope

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Work hard, work together, kill bosses, but above all have fun.

Well said, Katan and Life. One thing I have to mention, which was briefly touched upon is communication.

We cannot read your minds and do not know how you feel until you share this with us. Do not expect us to know what you are thinking.

If you whisper me during raid with complaints you will most likely get ignored because I know and you know it is NOT the time or place to complain about whatever it is that is rubbing you the wrong way. If you approach me after raid then yes I will be happy to discuss it with you.

As a guild rule you all know you bring these things up before or after raid. If you cannot do so or reach an officer in game, you have the forums to post these things to so that you can get in contact with an officer.

Lastly, I see no need for the "this is all about me" BS I see going on. Ive said it once I will say it again...THERE IS NO "I" IN TEAM. Please people, lets work together and keep progressing, keep up the good work we all have put in to get where we are today.

~Shar

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As one of our illustrious raid leaders, I'd just like to chime in. I wrote something like this years ago for DR back when we were starting, so this may sound oddly familiar:

I have a few requirements of people who run in raids I lead:

1) Sign up ahead of time. The role of raid leader is essentially that of manager. I have to know what my resources are ahead of time so I can plan and make sure the experiences of the 24 people relying on me are fun and relatively pain-free.

2) Show up on time. When you sign up for a raid, you're making a commitment to me, to yourself, and to 23 other people. Everyone else is taking time out of their (sometimes incredibly busy) personal lives to attend because they made a commitment. You need to honor yours, or LET SOMEONE KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE IF YOU CAN'T. Things happen, and sometimes this isn't possible. But you should treat a commitment to raid no differently to a scheduled meeting for work, school, or anything else important in your life. If you sign up, you're expected to show up, on time, and...

3) Come prepared. This means having the right gear, knowing the fights, having the appropriate pots/flasks/food/whatever, minimizing your real-life distractions, being repaired, and being where you're supposed to be prior to first pull. This does NOT mean hanging out on an alt until 10 minutes after first pull and then expecting a summon.

4) HAVE FUN! I'm serious about this. Raiding, like every other aspect of this game, is supposed to be an entertaining diversion from the stresses of our daily lives. If you're not having fun, at the very least you're contributing to your own burnout, and at the worst you're ruining the experience for everyone else. I don't expect everyone to be happy, but I do expect everyone to keep watch over their own sanity and tempers, and know when it's time to take a break. Also, know when it's time to lodge a complaint, and how to do so. Publicly and/or in the middle of a raid is NOT the time.

5) Play your own game. Some people like to spend their days learning every intricate and obscure detail of their class(es), gear, and instances. Others are content to be competent without being a walking encyclopaedia. As long as everyone is doing their job to the best of their ability AND meeting the minimum necessary to complete the task at hand, I'm fine with it. If someone is slacking either in execution, or in preparation, there may need to be changes made. If you're one of those people who is content to maintain a minimum competence, that's fine. I'm one of those people myself. But you have to balance it with the needs of the other 24 people relying on you to know what you're doing, know what you need, and to execute strategies effectively. You can do this without making WoW the centerpiece of your daily existence. You must learn what the balance is between what you expect to do and how much time you're willing to devote to it.

Along those same lines, please don't impose your playstyle on others, in either direction. People have varying degrees of free time available to them to devote to the game. If someone isn't meeting your personal standards, understand that the officers will take note of deficiencies and address them as necessary. As a fellow raider, you should be supportive of your team, not critical. If you have concerns about someone, bring it up to officers, in private, during non-raid times, and let them address it.

6) Don't be lootwhores. This is another big annoyance of mine. If you're running ToC25 and only ToC25 because you think Ulduar's beneath you, the only thing you're doing is hurting the raid as a whole. We have people who aren't as well-geared as others, and those people can't get T8.5 gear without a raid capable of clearing most or all of Ulduar on a consistent basis. YOU might not need something from there, but there may be plenty of other people on your team who do. And without those people, you don't have a ToC raid, or an Icecrown raid.

Similarly, the purpose of the raids isn't to be your personal loot train, to allow you to complete obscure offset RP set $X. Be aware of those you raid with. If you see an item that's a marginal upgrade (or not even a mainspec item) for you, when there are other people in blues and greens rolling for it, have some courtesy and resist the temptation to roll. If you do roll before realizing this, have the decency to pass on the item BEFORE THE ROLL COMPLETES or BEFORE THE LOOT IS HANDED OUT.





With everything said above, please realize that where I discuss having certain knowledge of things, I mean that to apply to everyone who has been doing this long enough to know better. Obviously, people who've just dinged 80 for the first time, who've just came back after a long hiatus (*ahem* such as myself), and so forth won't be expected to hit the ground knowing all this stuff. But they will be expected to pick it up as we go, and to reach a level of minimum competence fairly quickly.





My job is to make sure you have fun and get to see content. Your job is to have fun and come prepared and help your team whenever and wherever possible. I trust each of you to know your roles in the fights, and I trust you to use your good judgment about when to use certain abilities (except in situations where a certain ability at a certain time might be of strategic benefit to the fight). The items I outline above define the boundaries of that trust, just as you trust your raid leader to know the fights, make good, yet quick decisions during the raid, and to take care of all the behind-the-scenes cat-herding that go into pulling 25 people together to work as a team for 3.5 hours.

Let's each honor that trust, and have a good time!

For those of you who are scared off by large blocks of text, here is the condensed version. If you fail at any one of these i suggest you find the corresponding paragraph and read it in its entirety.

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i agree w all you guys. The sad thing is that i suspect those that would benefit from some of these wise words do not make much of an appearance on these forums to read.

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"Item - Rogue T10 2P Bonus - Gives your melee finishing moves a 13% chance to add 3 combo points to your target.
Item - Rogue T10 4P Bonus - Your Tricks of the Trade ability now grants you 15 energy instead of costing energy."

Fixed: "Rogue T10 2P Bonus- your bonus sucks and your armor looks lame"
"Rogue T10 4P Bonus- your bonus reeeeallly sucks and your armor looks lame"

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Wick,....Most of the Forums are below the standards of the persons falling into the catagories listed above. sadly i havent been with the Guild that long, and even more so i haven't had the pleasure of raiding til recently, i do know that i have much to learn, but the one thing i DO know about raiding is "Noone will get anywhere by themselves"...I love to gear up undergeared players with a passion to learn and get better...i happen to be one of those people. "Hi im Shawnbradly, im a healer...I'm not great but someday i will be" this is my motivation. It truly saddens me to see players taking advantage of the Kindness shown them by the officers and Guild Master..Kudos to you guys for the patients you have shown. i would lastly like to say that i would hope to get back on the raiding schedule, 7:30 online, 7:45 waitlisted people start getting spots, 8:00 GAME ON!

Gods Many Blessings
Shawn